Daniel Ricciardo says it was impossible to avoid crashing into Max Verstappen after his team mate changed lines when they collided in the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
Formula One’s managing director of motorsport Ross Brawn said verstappen’s move made Ricciardo “a passenger” because it deprived his car of downforce. Ricciardo agreed with Brawn’s analysis.
“You lose all downforce and everything. Even the brakes, they lock a lot easier when you don’t have the downforce on. That was like the end result but it was due to that inside closing up.”
Red Bull conducted a detailed post-mortem into the crash which put both its cars out of the race, said Ricciardo.
“We all talked about it from all different points of view. What the drivers could’ve done better: obviously Max and myself. What the team could’ve done better: Christian [Horner] and the decision makers on the pit wall. What the engineers could’ve done better or different. So everyone was involved in the process. We had some long discussions.
“Obviously we are the drivers, we created, in the end, the incident. But it was an accumulation of events and it was important to address all areas. I don’t think it was just us in that moment, there was a build-up and maybe a way we could’ve responded better, whether it was releasing a car or something, a lot of things were talked about.”
He believes the team will be more likely to tell its drivers to swap positions in a similar scenario in future.
“I think if it got to that point again where there’s banging wheels and stuff then [they would]. Especially if the car [behind] is faster then you’d probably expect at some point they’ll [say] swap cars and release one of them. There’s no guarantee but that was one thing they certainly talked about.”
Ricciardo indicated he will be more insistent in calling for a change of positions if he feels Verstappen is holding him up in future.
“Maybe that’s my problem: I’m saying I can go faster but I’m not shouting, sounding like a… little girl. But maybe I should.”
Verstappen already has a Red Bull deal for the 2019 F1 season but Ricciardo is considering his options for next year. He wouldn’t be drawn on whether the collision will influence his thinking. “I won’t comment,” he said. “Can we move on from Baku? You can ask me about Baku last year if you want!”
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91 comments on “Ricciardo: No way to avoid Verstappen crash after he changed lines”
Vettel fan 17 (@)
10th May 2018, 22:02
Completely agree. As Brawn also said he lost downforce so he was always going to lock up when Verstappen made his second move.
11th May 2018, 10:11
He’s made several overtakes where he’s come from deep and if the defending driver had cut across his line, they’d have been crashes as well. If Ricciardo is at fault here, he should also be criticised for his other dive-bomb moves….
The only blame I’d personally put on him here is that he was a bit stupid to try a do-or-die move on a driver known to block in the breaking zone. He’d been stuck behind Max for so long though that when he got out back behind him in the pits, this sort move was inevitable.
11th May 2018, 16:05
You’re reasoning the wrong way. Blaming the victim if you like: “The only blame I’d personally put on him here is that he was a bit stupid to try a do-or-die move on a driver known to block in the breaking zone.”
Ric, like all other drivers, shouldn’t be put in a situation in which one is forced to ask oneself whether a competitor refrains from dangerous, illegal moves which can be executed in a split of a second.
David Not Coulthard (@davidnotcoulthard)
11th May 2018, 20:42
11th May 2018, 16:23
This warrants a comment on its own. Looks lost tagged to the first comment of them all. No idea why someone would do that.
10th May 2018, 22:18
Basically a very long winded way of saying what most people already knew after watching the first replay… this accident happened because Max suddenly moved under breaking while both were traveling at 250 kmh. I love Max and his style (most of the time) This, however, was in my opinion at least 80% his fault. Perhaps Daniel’s only mistake was to assume Max would defend like any other driver would.
11th May 2018, 10:18
This 100%, there should be a penalty, for this kind of second defensive move under braking phase of the corner.
11th May 2018, 13:54
Absolutely. A clear breach of the rules causing an accident. Was it even investigated?
In the same race, another gets a grid penalty for the following race (almost unheard of), and that was for a L1 incident as well when all sorts of things happen.
It’s all about who you are and what team you are driving for.
Inconsistent and unfair stewarding is frankly putting the sport in disrepute IMO.
10th May 2018, 23:47
blocking, defending, attacking, picking the right battle… we all want to see more overtaking, and we want the guys to go wheel to wheel, but there has to be a line, and a higher level of respect, over the out and out win or “i’m faster” mentality.
Watching the race, I thought Max had barged his way past at the start, Danny not just giving up, but being fair and leaving enough space once Max had thrown himself into a gap. Whenever Danny did the same, the respect was not reciprocated. I see this all the time in online racing: blocking. Max is very good, but to beat him is more difficult than beating anyone else at the same speed, because it’s not about fair racing for him, it’s about staying in front at all costs.
Formula 1 is not endurance racing, but it’s not spring racing either, and 1-2 hours racing means theres more at stake than just one corner, one lap. I get that these guys are at the top of their game, but even if Max consistently out-qualified Danny, which he doesn’t, I’d still be of the inclination that as a Formula 1 driver, over a 200 mile race, Danny is the better racer, and as a result, he has more points, and a win, that Max could have had if he thought more about the whole race and not just who he is racing against in one corner.
Had they been smart, fair, and real team mates, they could have not only stayed in the race, but probably helped each other to speed up rather than losing time fighting each other.
Over the course of a season, a career, the guy who wins fairly wins more consistently, and Danny is that guy. If only Max could see him as a big brother to learn from, and give the space, concede when it’s only fair to do so, and most importantly overtake cleanly to prove he is the best rather than just getting his elbows out every time he’s under threat -we’d have better role models to follow.
11th May 2018, 2:45
This. I had pretty much this exact discussion with my brother during the race. If only Max could have seen past his own ambition for a second, both Red Bulls would have fared much better & bagged loads of points… maybe even a win or podium. He needs to get better at risk assessment. He’ll never be a world champ if he keeps tangling with opponents… least of all his teammate. Daniel is the better, fairer racer IMO. Max has the ability to be spectacular, but he’s in his own way at the moment.
11th May 2018, 13:12
I couldn’t agree more. To quote my new website HasVerstappenCrashedToday.com (Shameless plug, updates to come very soon):
Captain Pie (@captainpie)
11th May 2018, 14:32
Has it really come to this! Verstappen is becoming the new Maldonado… we didn’t even do this for the tornado Kvyat.
Let’s see what this weekend brings, I will hold out hope that he picks himself up from this bad form.
11th May 2018, 14:37
@captainpie He’s heading that way. I would say he’s a better racing driver than Maldonardo and has way more potential, but he really needs to get a grip on himself!
I’d love to take the site down because he had improved. As soon as I think he’s on the path to recovery, I will do so.
11th May 2018, 8:25
Exactly. We need a vote thumbs up button
11th May 2018, 12:54
10th May 2018, 23:50
Ricciardo seemed a little down in an interview by Buxton I saw on YouTube. It’s quite sad, that despite the crash being more Verstappen’s fault, it’s clear the team will never single out Max to fault. I think he sees the writing on the wall in terms of his Red Bull career.
10th May 2018, 23:51
Sorry for the bad grammar, I’m very sleepy :D
Jimmi Cynic (@jimmi-cynic)
11th May 2018, 1:09
@wsrgo – no worries. We will only ask you about last year’s grammar.
Agree that RBR have to keep Max happy first and Ricciardo happy first plus a bit.
11th May 2018, 4:06
I found Ricciardo’s “You can ask me about Baku last year if you want!” hilarious, but you just topped that, @jimmi-cynic !
11th May 2018, 6:10
@jimmi-cynic Aha! Good one ;)
11th May 2018, 10:15
To me, the way RBR apportioned the blame seemed to hint at Ricciardo’s future plans….
10th May 2018, 23:57
I wonder how this changes his negotiations with Ferrari.
In my view he has distinguished himself in all this. He raced a difficult teammate about as fairly as possible. He accepted the teams punishment, despite considerable support from fans and other drivers. I think that is the kind of teamwork teams want.
But it’s also seems clear his motivation to leave Red Bull increased. At best his team was unwilling to pick sides before and after the race. In my view they made clear who their #1 driver is. So it seems to me he lost value.
So perhaps he became a more attractive driver, but lost money in the process?
11th May 2018, 5:05
i don’t think so, no.
Red Bull can protect Verstappen as much as they want, but everybody knows who was to blame on that crash.
Everybody knows who was the guy who never even once crashed while overtaking on 4 full seasons with Red Bull, while the other did it on the then last race.
His motivation to leave is increasing, and his value to other teams is probably on the same place. He is a team player, but that doesn’t mean he is ok to be the number 2.
11th May 2018, 8:15
So, basically Max was impatient in China with his move on Vettel, but Ric was not impatient in Baku. Ric did nothing wrong. Wow, just wow..
11th May 2018, 14:25
Ricciardo was a little impatient and frustrated. He had been stuck behind his teammate for a long time. Having finally passed him, Verstappen regained the lead in the pits. He knew he was going to have to be more aggressive to get back past, so made a move which he thought would work. This is why he shares some of the responsibility for the crash.
Against Vettel, however (if I’m remembering the correct incident), Verstappen made an aggressive, late dive which would rarely work if ever. The gap was always going to disappear. Vettel didn’t make any additional blocking moves, and couldn’t have avoided him.
You’re not even comparing apples with oranges, you’re comparing apples with asteroids!
11th May 2018, 14:56
And Verstappen already blew the chance to overtake Hamilton before crashing into Vettel in China.
As for Ricciardo, the guy spent 30 laps trying to do it cleanly and Verstappen even touched wheels with him overshooting the first corner to stay ahead.
I won’t blame the guy who barely ever made a mistake at overtaking. He did nothing different than what he did in China and won him the race.
11th May 2018, 0:39
Can’t believe this Max guy.
Does this all the time. What he did to Kimi at Spa a couple years ago was the most ridiculous block I’ve ever seen.
That’s rental go kart kind of stuff that people do who have no experience of racing.
New Maldonado here, new Maldonado.
Jorge Lardone (@jorge-lardone)
11th May 2018, 4:02
11th May 2018, 8:20
Wow, isn’t that exactly what all said about Seb and Lewis? Must be some potential lingering there then..
“What Hamilton did there goes beyond all boundaries”. “He is completely mad. If the FIA does not punish him, I do not understand the world anymore. At some point, there has to be an end to all the jokes. You cannot drive like this – as it will result in someone getting killed.”
“Lewis is having too many collisions with too many drivers, and he can’t blame the stewards, because there is a different set at every race.
“I’m a great supporter of Lewis, but I think he’s hiding under blinkers at the moment. You can’t keep going for gaps that don’t exist, and if he’s blaming the car and the team, that’s just unprofessional. No driver had the perfect car.”
“Lewis is going a bit too far in some cases, his handling of himself is not that good. His father is no longer his manager, which is a problem. If they could get together, it would be a good thing.”
11th May 2018, 8:59
Most of the quotes you’ve taken are from Lewis’ 2011 season. Which was a bad one for him in terms of headspace and race craft. Seb has had the crash kid reputation as well from 2009 and 2010. But I think it’s a little different for Max.. he’s had it from him first season up in to his 4th season and honestly it’s only gotten worse.
I’m a fan of Max, and I think he can iron out these issues and be a great driver, but Seb and Lewis learned from their mistakes a whole lot quicker than Max has. Max still has a bit to go.
11th May 2018, 9:21
Max will not learn. This is the way his dd learned him how to race from when he was a little kid.
It is so automatic for him as breathing is for us.
Max is fast and will win his share of races, but he will never ever be a world champion.
11th May 2018, 10:07
@todfod Agreed, let’s see whether he can get himself out of the current streak
11th May 2018, 10:01
You keep trotting out these lines in response to any Max comments.
You forget something.
These comments relate to Lewis in the context of already being a world champion, having won dozens of races and having actually won three races that ‘bad’ year. He also, for example got the only none Red Bull pole that year. The only one.
In other words he was having a bad year for his standards. So was Massa.
Max cannot lay claim to any of the above accomplishments and is just driving badly.
11th May 2018, 10:05
That makes Lewis mistakes even worse..
11th May 2018, 14:58
@mayrton excuses for everything. saw that movie before.
11th May 2018, 10:18
@mayrton You can add in Seb (crash kid) Vettel, Senna and Schumacher who were all criticised when they were new….
The top drivers push the limits and sometimes, they step over them. As they get more mature, they learn to get things right on the limit without crossing it (as much)
11th May 2018, 13:59
@petebaldwin I agree. Now let’s hope this applies to Max
11th May 2018, 13:01
@mayrton @todfod 2011 was a bit special but those incidents weren’t necessarily Lewis’s fault – you coud easily ascribe the fault to the other drivers in almost every case. I think Lewis somehow was able to learn from his mistakes and others’s mistakes and that was literally a “crash” course.
The lesson is simple – “even if there’s room and the pass is there, you don’t necessarily go for it cause you can’t predict the other driver’s behavior”. It’s bad for racing but not everyone is as good as Fernando or Lewis on the grid in terms of being able to race within inches, they have to race at the other driver’s level.
11th May 2018, 16:28
Wow, isn’t that exactly what all said about Seb and Lewis? – No
Must be some potential lingering there then.. – Wow, so in your quest to clear your hero of all blame., you’re mixing up two total different things.
That makes Lewis mistakes even worse.. – Hhh, so stubborn you are.
David Not Coulthard (@davidnotcoulthard)
11th May 2018, 20:57
tbh I’d bet a lot of thing on you hating VES way more than @mayrton considers him a “hero” based on your post.
Not an argument.
Which isn’t to say VES is going to go down and e.g. 30 years from now be remembered as some dutch Senna or whatever (maybe he won’t, maybe he will) but naming names isn’t the way to go. (“hero”, “victim” while the consensus of that being the case isn’t even very existent if at all (I know stewards aren’t perfect but they are probably much better racing drivers than you are))
Besides, the driver(s) mentioned here turned out OK (even after Turkey and Spa 2010). Maybe VES won’t, maybe VES will. You look like someone who would deny it to death should it ever turn out that VES ends up being OK in the future)
Darryn Smith (@darryn)
11th May 2018, 1:14
They need to hit Verstappen every time he pulls this or it will end up like Schumacher. Schumacher did that move across anyone trying to take him at the start and all the drivers during his era let him get away with it instead of just hitting him. Try that move on Berger and you end up in the gravel.
11th May 2018, 7:28
Well if he ends up like Schumacher in his career, that’s not really a bad way to end up is it?
Alianora La Canta (@alianora-la-canta)
11th May 2018, 21:20
For him, yes. For the rest of us, not so much…
11th May 2018, 1:53
I think you said it beautifully. Max wants to stay ahead at all costs. He would rather they both crash, than RIC overtake him in the same car and finish ahead of him, and as was said already, he needs to learn that to win the war you do not need to win every battle.
11th May 2018, 3:18
”You can ask me about Baku last year if you want!” – LOL.
11th May 2018, 3:26
Meh, people are quick to blame Max at the moment and I understand that. But Ricciardo has just been throwing it down the inside like a wild goose quite a bit lately and expecting the space to be there too, China could have gone very differently. Sure, put the blame 60, 70, 80% even towards Max at a stretch, he could have given the space, but to blame the incident all on him isn’t seeing the full picture.
At the end of the day I suspect Verstappen would have rather crashed than let Ricciardo overtake and then importantly pull away. That would have been a bigger defeat than losing some points in a championship fight he isn’t going to win this year anyway. People saying he doesn’t have the mentality or ability of a world champion are missing the point. It’s not all about a points tally.
Sure it was a stubborn, and probably a bit stupid. But name me a world champion who doesn’t have those traits in spades.
11th May 2018, 6:44
But Verstappen isn’t a world champion yet, so right now he’s just a stubborn and a bit stupid driver. It’s not like Ricciardo throws it down the inside regardless of what’s on the way. He switched right, Max covered it, RIC then switched left and went for the gap… and Max changed direction again. If every driver has to assume that the preceding driver is going to block him when he’s going for a pass, then all we’re going to see are DRS highway overtakes.
David Not Coulthard (@davidnotcoulthard)
11th May 2018, 20:59
So champions turn a bit stubborn and stupid after winning the WDC?
11th May 2018, 8:15
At last, an opinion I agree with @skipgamer. Yes Max could have let Dan pass but that’s not in the racing driver’s credo. Dan should have known that Max would close the door or wouldn’t dive out of his way as he banzai’d up the inside. Two drivers at the top of their game, each racing to beat the other. Dan should have known that he would lose downforce but took the gamble anyway. I don’t get all the Max-bashing over this.
11th May 2018, 16:37
“At last, an opinion I agree with skipgamer.” Hhhhh
I don’t get all the Max-bashing over this. – Maybe you should get to know what the rules have to say about what is permissible in terms of defending.
11th May 2018, 8:30
Alain Prost. Niki Lauda. Emerson Fittipaldi. Jackie Stewart.
11th May 2018, 9:48
If you look closely at the onboard videos you can see that RIC steered to the left inside again before Ver moved. So even if Ver would have done nothing, RIC would have crashed into the reared of Ver.
11th May 2018, 11:56
Jenson Button, Kimi Raikkonnen, Fernando Alonso, Damon Hill, Mika Hakkinen… more??
11th May 2018, 13:47
I question Alonso and Raikkonnen being on that list… I knew Button and Hill would come up though, those gentlemanly brits and all.
11th May 2018, 4:00
Max is going to lose his drive if he keeps wrecking. It’s less expensive to swap drivers than continually lose points because your driver can’t finish a race. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy, but like Roman Grosjean he needs to adjust a bit if he wants to stick around.
I mean, it’s not like he’s got Pastor Maldonado’s money keeping him in the seat.
11th May 2018, 9:27
Right RBR is in it to become world champion not to let Max drive some lap and then get 0 points.
If max will not improve this year i suspect that his 5th year will not be with RBR but he will finish his contract with the torro guys
Alianora La Canta (@alianora-la-canta)
11th May 2018, 21:21
Red Bull need somewhere to put Carlos Sainz, so if the Toro Rosso duo pick up their game and Max doesn’t, he could have quite a problem on his hands…
David BR (@david-br)
11th May 2018, 4:52
So basically the accident was caused by aero depriving Ricciardo’s car of downforce and braking. Not Verstappen’s block. Personally I thought Verstappen’s driving was brilliant, his overtaking and defence against Ricciardo, who was faster, were superb, judged right to the edge. I don’t think the accident was much different. The problem was Ricciardo trying to sell a dummy and not really doing enough to lure Verstappen away from the wall before he tried to dive down the gap. As for the obvious signals he’s giving that Red Bull need to get the slower driver to pull over in such situations, that could and probably will cut both ways over the course of the season. It’ll be interesting to see if he agrees if and when he’s the slower car but ahead.
11th May 2018, 5:14
So when Max went to the cover the outside and then ducked back inside he was just being clever and brilliantly tricking Ric into ending the race early and allowing Max to reclaim his rightful place as team champion ?
11th May 2018, 9:41
Since it is in the rulebook that you can defend and go back to your raceline, yes!
And I know you have to leave a car width of space on the inside, when viewed from the front I believe there is enough space. Only Ricciardo never went further inside but tried to go back to the outside and therefore hitting Verstappen.
11th May 2018, 16:45
So basically the accident was caused by aero depriving Ricciardo’s car of downforce and braking. Not Verstappen’s block. – No, basically the accident was caused by aero depriving Ricciardo’s car of downforce and braking because of Verstappen’s block.
Personally I thought Verstappen’s driving was brilliant, his overtaking and defence against Ricciardo, who was faster, were superb, judged right to the edge. – I agree, bar the crashcausing blocking and the wheelbanging incident.